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Who created God?

By Chrblocom / 23. September 2013

By bundesbedenkentraeger

Darkmatter’s video on God’s God starts with a common stereotype about Christian faith: An Atheist dies, gets to meet his creator an is about to be sent to hell for not believing in the right God. The question of how he should have known which God to believe in comes up later, when God himself meets his creator, that looks a lot like Steve Jobs.

A lot could be said and debated about how one should know which God is actualy the right one, but the main question is about the creator of the Creator, so I shall stick with this.

The main argument is, that the God figure in the movie claims the Atheist had to know that there has to be a reason for his existence and intelligence.

The Angel figure, I think his name is Geoffrey, reminds the God figure, let’s call him Hank for short, of his own existence and intelligence. As Hank claims he was not created, why should the Atheist not have done likewise in his own life.

To “prove” the point, darkmatter has Geoffrey and Hank kill each other in the video and face Hank’s (an Geoffrey’s?) creator. Then there is a similar discussion, plus the question of how to know about this creator etc etc. Basically Hank brings up a lot of the arguments atheists tend to bring up againt the existence of God. Basically a ot of lapstick and recursion.

The question I find interesting to address here is the question about the creator of the Creator. Thus I didn’t cal the article “God’s God” like arkmatter called his video, but “Who created God”. To give the short answer: No one because God is not created. He is not a creature, unlike everything else.

Geoffrey brings intelligence and existence into discussion. I’d like to drop the intelligence part. There are things created that are not in the slightest way intelligent. Think of stones. Or bread (Germans should understand this one ). But still they are created, and they exist.

I’d like to start with God’s existence, and what I do in the first place is: Deny it. You read right: I consider myself Christian and deny the existence of God. Now if you are a Christian yourself reading this and about to call me heretic or whatnot, let me first explain. And judge then. And if you are an Atheist reading this, don’t rejoice too fast, things are not as they appear.

We talk about existence. And we talk about creation. I’d say, it’s both the same: If you have anything that is created, it exists. And I think it’s also the other way round: Everything that exists, is created.

Atheists should not agree here, because I guess they’d deny the idea of creation in the first place, so there wold be no created thing, no creature, in the first place. But this thought is more for the Christians among you, I’ll get back to the Atheists later.

If we say that everything that is created, exists, then we cannot say that God would exist, because undoubtedly: God is not created (this is true at least for monotheistic gods).

So if God is not created and does thus not exists, he must be something else than existant, if I believe in Him.

God is above creation. God is above existence. God gave existence to everything being. Existence is timely and within the created world as a concept. This is not true for God (any monotheistic God, but not any politheistic gods). He does not exist, He is not within the created world (though He can influence it and appear there). And He’s not just a concept, but maybe we could say that He was also a concept, besides many other things.

So if God was created, he’d be within the world, he’d be timely. And he’d have a creator. If he had created anything himsef he’d just be a subcontractor of the real God who created him. People as create things. Darkmatter created the video, and I am about creating this article. Still we both are creatures, because we exist. We are timely and within this world, and cannot escape it.

This all is not true for (the monotheistic) God, though it can be true for (polytheistic) gods, which don’t difer much here from Superman, Spiderman and other figures with (restricted) superpowers. So, the only real God in the video would be the last in the row, if he was and would not be thought to be just another super-super-superhero within time and world. If he was not thought to be existing.

The fact that all those god-figures in the video have bodies and act towards one anoter even in their respective “heavens” makes me presume that darkmatter didn’t think of them as nonexistant God, that still is there.

It is really a problem to not have a word for the nonexistant kind of existence of God. Because He is there, he is the source of everything, the source of existence, though He doesn’t exist the way we exist. Because we have not word for his existence, I guess, it is that we end up not understanding one another.

From: Bundesbedenkenträger



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